Saturday, August 21. 2004
This interview took place on a tour boat traversing the locks in Sault Ste. Marie, Michigan. Face it, a 23 foot vertical lift in a lock is not up their with Raging Waters Water Park or a rafting trip on the Colorado, but, at least, it is a nice quiet place to talk. This article is brought to you courtesy of a kind grant from the West Chicago Polo Club, a proud provider of weekend entertainment for NASCAR dads across all of DuPage County.
| WegoWeb | So you have another Speciaous Political Internet Myth? | | Sen. Fawghourne: | Not SPIM this time but I have an email that I'm sure is not true, though all the search engines failed to find it. The Bu$h campaign has complained that as revenge for the Swift Boat Vets, the Kerry Campaign has recruited 264 Alabama hookers, hoes, and pimps calling themselves Alabama National Guard and Friends, which is putting together an ad accusing Bu$h of falsifying information leading to his Good Conduct Medal. A Bu$h spokesman has attacked the credibility of the hoes by saying, "They can't even prove that he was in the state." The Bu$h spokesman said, "Not only did Bu$h not falsify any records, he never received a Good Conduct Medal and never threw it over the White House fence... although he did throw an empty bottle of Jim Beam at a homeless person sleeping in a doorway on Pennsylvania Avenue."
| | WegoWeb | Yes, I think you hit a winner this time. You're getting very good at this. | | Sen. Fawghourne: | I am small time compared to you. I just read the item you just sent to the Daily Herald a couple minutes ago. Regarding the Letter to Fencepost titled "Facts you should know beforeVoting" on 17 Sept 2004... it contains the sentence, "We have been looking for evidence of chemical weapons in Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records."
I did a google search on it. I got 113 hits including: All these seem to have this same essay. It appears that either Petar V. Kovacevich of Geneva has shamelessly borrowed this spam without appropriate attribution or he is the victim of an internet theft, where his thoughts and words have been stolen. Thankfully, I found no button on the RNC site that automattically sent this crap to every newpaper within 20 miles of the clicker's area code. For those who are not sufficiently offended by the plagarism, perhaps you would like to consider the quality of the information in the piece. Mr.Kovacevich states: "There were 39 combat-related killings in Iraq during January. In the fair city of Detroit, there were 35 murders in January. That's just one American city, about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq." I think there is an "apples to apples" problem here. If there were 39 police officers, first responders and civic authorities killed in Detroit in a single month, that could be comparable to his Iraq figure. If there were only 39 killed in Iraq, including, not just US forces the comparison might be considered fair. However, Iraqis, policemen, members of the army, insurrgents, women, and children also died. This number, although not reliably reported, is in the thousands. If there were thousands of killings in Detroit, that would be more comparable, but a national story. This is just one example. The entire posting is hopeless flapdoodle. Someone at the Daily Herald should have noticed, and should have exposed this at the time of publication. From http://www.spj.org/ethics_code.asp, where it says: "Test the accuracy of information from all sources and exercise care to avoid inadvertent error. Deliberate distortion is never permissible."
Robert Lemon
| | WegoWeb | So, you haven't said... what do you think about this presidential campaign and the Swift Boat guys in particular. | | Sen. Fawghourne: | "I think Senator Kerry served admirably and he ought to be proud of his record." G.W.Bush said that on August 24th. I believe that the president is telling the truth and consider any statement contradictory to it to be wrong, a lie, or misleading. All of the contemporaneous documentation, that are public, support the president's statement. | | WegoWeb | Are you calling the Swift Boat Vets liars? | | Sen. Fawghourne: | Certainly not. There is a lot of pain in what they have done and I choose not to add to it. They served honorably in Vietnam and, like all Vietnam era vets, never received the thanks of their nation, like they had earned and deserved. We all, as a nation, are guilty of the transgressions that they heap on Senator Kerry. | | WegoWeb | What about the flipside? | | Sen. Fawghourne: | I don't want to get into the thing about forged documents. I rely only on the official documents released by the White House. I have come to the following conclusions based upon those sources and the lack of simple declarative statements from the White House that negate them.. - Like many rich young men in Texas at that time, George Bush received preferential treatment in getting into the Texas Air National Guard.
- For 5 months, George Bush did not show up for required drills in Alabama.
- George Bush was reduced from the F102 to the trainer version, then to the T33 and eventually refused to take a required physical and was grounded.
- George Bush got out of the Guard early with an Honorable Discharge.
- George Bush puffed his career by claiming to have been an Air Force pilot.
I was reading this just the other day... "According to a 1999 Associated Press report, Bush's congressional campaign ran a pullout ad in the Lubbock Avalanche-Journal that declared he had served "in the US Air Force and the Texas Air National Guard where he piloted the F-102 aircraft." http://thenation.com/capitalgames/index.mhtml?bid=3&pid=1704 But when AP asked Bush if he had been justified in claiming service in the Air Force, Bush, then the governor of Texas and a presidential candidate, said, "I think so, yes. I was in the Air Force for over 600 days." Karen Hughes, his spokeswoman, maintained that when Bush attended flight school for the Air National Guard from 1968 to 1969 he was considered to be on active duty for the Air Force and that several times afterward he had been placed on alert, which also qualified as active duty for the Air Force. All told, she said, Bush had logged 607 days of training and alerts. "As an officer [in the Air National Guard]," she told the AP, "he was serving on active duty in the Air Force." "If a member of the Air National Guard is in pilot training," says Captain Cristin Lesperance of the US Air Force media relations office, "they would remain on the Guard books. They would be counted as Guard, not as an active-duty Air Force member."
| WegoWeb | Whoa...hard words, Senator. Who are you attacking here? | | Sen. Fawghourne: | That stuff is from David Corn. He has gone beyond the accusations and the denials or partial denials. I liked what he did. He did what a journalist is supposed to do... he found the documents and the authorities who should know. I hate what has been done with the Swift Boat thing... just print the accusations (with facts ignored until a few weeks later) and treat it as a "he said, she said." If Lois Lane had gone to editor Perry Whilte with the Swift Boat Vet's stories, she would have had to return to dancing at a Smallville gentleman's club until she worked her way back up to cub reporter. The problem is not whether the vets have a right to speak. The problem is the editors who have thoroughly failed to insist reporters source the information the vets were feeding the reporters. The vets should have been given a polite thank you and ignored. That they are making accusations is NOT NEWS, unless there is some reason to believe what they say is true. | | WegoWeb | It made good drama for a while. | | Sen. Fawghourne: | This was not a victimless crime. When the press fails to inform us, our democracy suffers. Another thing I was reading... "... a Washington Post poll found that 69 percent of Americans believed that Saddam was "personally involved" in Sept. 11 and 82 percent thought Saddam "provided assistance to Osama bin Laden and his terrorist network." This overwhelming agreement was a natural result of an overwhelming public relations assault by the White House. In a Newsweek poll last week, 42 percent of Americans still think Saddam was "directly involved in planning, financing, or carrying out the terrorist attacks." http://www.boston.com/news/globe/editorial_opinion/ oped/articles/2004/09/10/as_war_toll_climbs_bush_still_deceives/
How do we know how to vote when we are so poorly served by the press? | | WegoWeb | What should the press be reporting. | | Sen. Fawghourne: | Look, the press should be getting us the proof. On NBC | | | Lauer: | Did John Kerry serve heroically in Vietnam, in your opinion? | | | Pres G.W.BUSH: | I think his service is heroic, yes. I think he's--and should be proud of it. And I think that we ought to move beyond the past. I mean, he's proud of his service, I'm proud of mine. And the real question is, who best to lead us forward. | | So what is the story we should hear... what some obviously upset partisans feel, or what the president says is true? | | WegoWeb | I see your point. | | Sen. Fawghourne: | Gotta go. I hope the Herald prints your letter. They've got to start checking that stuff. |
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